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Franchise Wrangling

Jan. 18th, 2019 at 2:13 PM

extrapenguin: Picture of the Horsehead Nebula, with the horse wearing a hat and the text "MOD". (ssmod)

Or: how do you want to subcategorize large franchises, so people can actually view and use the tagset without breaking out Excel.

All Media Types? Into subfandoms? By time period? By location?

Make a thread for your canon (unless there is one already), and then discuss in the subcomments.

The end result of the threads on the 25th at 7pm EET (when nominations open) will be used to decide how nominations are approved.

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extrapenguin wrote:

Jan. 18th, 2019 12:20 pm (UTC)

Star Wars

Please discuss how to split Star Wars into subfandoms in this thread.

The modly suggestion would be to at least separate out Legends, the new expanded universe, and the movies. Year before last, we split it out like this:

Star Wars (Marvel Comics)

Rogue One: A Star Wars Story (2016)
Star Wars Original Trilogy
Star Wars Prequel Trilogy
Star Wars Sequel Trilogy
Star Wars: The Clone Wars (2008) - All Media Types

and an agreement to separate out Knights of the Old Republic.

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senmut wrote:

Jan. 18th, 2019 01:11 pm (UTC)

Re: Star Wars

Star Wars Expanded Universe (canon) - current novels, graphic novels, comics
Star Wars Expanded Universe (Legends) - no longer in-continuity of the same

Rogue One: A Star Wars Story (2016) - These characters barely interact with OT characters
Solo: A Star Wars Story (2018) - It just kind of hangs out there currently

Star Wars Original Trilogy
Star Wars Prequel Trilogy
Star Wars Sequel Trilogy

Star Wars: The Clone Wars (2008) - All Media Types
Star Wars: Rebels (2014) - All Media Types
Star Wars: Resistance (2018) - All Media Types

Knights of the Old Republic

Alternatively, there are era tags

Old Republic Era
Rise of the Empire Era
Rebellion Era

Except the Sequel Trilogy doesn't seem to have an era tag.

Edited 2019-01-18 01:12 pm (UTC)

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thrasonical wrote:

Jan. 18th, 2019 03:53 pm (UTC)

Re: Star Wars

Star Wars Legends - All Media Types with KOTOR/SWTOR separate would definitely be my preference for miscellaneous Legends books/comics. Unfortunately, I don't think there's an easy equivalent new canon tag. Star Wars Canon - All Media Types? Or Star Wars (Marvel Comics) and another tag for Star Wars Canon Novels? And I guess Battlefront II as another if anyone goes for it. But an all media types new canon fandom seems like it would be more convenient.

iirc the X-wing series was also separate from Legends last year, but I don't remember if there was enough interest in the category to warrant it, and I don't really have an opinion either way.

I'm not really a fan of era tags, and would definitely prefer to stick with the thing characters are from, rather than the time period. OT/PT/ST/each cartoon and spinoff movie getting their own category seems good.

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extrapenguin wrote:

Jan. 25th, 2019 09:41 am (UTC)

Re: Star Wars

Era tags would be more cluttered than they're worth, so there will be no era tags. OT/PT/ST and the spinoff movies + cartoons getting their own categories will be done. What would you think of "Star Wars New EU - All Media Types"?

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tigerlily wrote:

Jan. 25th, 2019 04:22 pm (UTC)

That would work for me, in that I wouldn't have to fill my crossovers with intra Star Wars ships.

(I'm the person someone mentioned below who likes to nominate Ahsoka with various characters, not all of whom are in the same installments with each other.)

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extrapenguin wrote:

Jan. 25th, 2019 04:29 pm (UTC)

Re: Ahsoka/everybody – I am unsure about where the boundaries of the New EU go (and whether Rebels and Clone Wars are/should be part of it vs separate fandoms), but Ahsoka appears in at least one of the new EU books, correct? So even with a New EU – Rebels – Clone Wars split you'd be able to get in Ahsoka ships without filling out Crossover Fandom. Would that be an acceptable split, or would you rather have something else?

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tigerlily wrote:

Jan. 25th, 2019 04:50 pm (UTC)

She does! I also tend to ship her with people from the movies, but I think they all appear in a book or comic at some point. So I think that would work! Thank you.

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tigerlily wrote:

Jan. 18th, 2019 09:27 pm (UTC)

Re: Star Wars

I prefer by era for everything that's in new canon, because otherwise I end up with more crossover ships.

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caudipteryx wrote:

Jan. 19th, 2019 01:10 am (UTC)

Re: Star Wars

I personally prefer subfandoms which stay close to the AO3 canonical categories--basically what sharpest_asp suggests. It seems best for matching expectations.

(Edited to add: AFAIK, the only cartoon series labeled All Media Types is The Clone Wars. Rebels and the new Resistance don't have that.)

If in-universe crossovers are an issue, why not have a subfandom category especially for Star Wars crossovers?

Edited 2019-01-19 01:12 am (UTC)

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extrapenguin wrote:

Jan. 23rd, 2019 06:30 pm (UTC)

Re: Star Wars

If in-universe crossovers are an issue, why not have a subfandom category especially for Star Wars crossovers?
This is interesting – would people find it something they wish to request, and if so, how do you all envision it as working? (I am far from familiar enough with Star Wars to see if Relationship: A & B, nominated under Star Wars Internal Crossovers, could also go beneath Star Wars Tie-In Book where both A and B have one-page appearances, for example.)

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caudipteryx wrote:

Jan. 23rd, 2019 07:02 pm (UTC)

Re: Star Wars

I was specifically thinking of the person who likes Ahsoka / and & everybody, since as they said most are technically crossovers and it would give them more request slots. But presumably in-universe crossovers would be nominated like any other crossovers--character (subfandom)/character (subfandom).

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extrapenguin wrote:

Jan. 25th, 2019 03:43 pm (UTC)

Re: Star Wars

If they wish to nominate Ahsoka &/ everybody, they are free to do that under a canon Ahsoka appears in; "everybody" includes all the other characters of that canon as well, so it would legitimately go under that canon.

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mlravenwrites wrote:

Jan. 18th, 2019 08:09 pm (UTC)

Stargate

I'd prefer:

Stargate SG-1
Stargate Atlantis
Stargate Universe
[others? do we acknowledge that the weird miniseries exists?]

but there is some overlap between shows, so I'm not sure what the best way to do it to maximize cross-show ships is.

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dirty_diana wrote:

Jan. 24th, 2019 08:24 pm (UTC)

Re: Stargate

Support.

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dirty_diana wrote:

Jan. 24th, 2019 08:32 pm (UTC)

DC TV

I'd vote separating each show, so:

Legends of Tomorrow
Supergirl

plus Titans, Smallville, etc.

I feel like last year in-Arrowverse crossovers just went under the most relevant show which seemed to work okay?

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extrapenguin wrote:

Jan. 24th, 2019 08:42 pm (UTC)

Re: DC TV

I feel like last year in-Arrowverse crossovers just went under the most relevant show which seemed to work okay?
That was the way it was split, and it went over well on the modly side. There were no complaints.

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sirvalkyrie wrote:

Jan. 24th, 2019 09:58 pm (UTC)

DC Comics

How do you want to handle comics? There are multiple titles, three different main eras for continuity, and multiple Earths. I really don't care how much it is merged vs split as long as I can specify which incarnation of a character I want that has multiple versions with the same name.

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extrapenguin wrote:

Jan. 24th, 2019 10:30 pm (UTC)

Re: DC Comics

I am utterly clueless on comics, so any arrangement that satisfies requesters and generates a minimum of modly bafflement is fine! I suggest that in addition to any fandom split, you place the incarnation after the character's name in brackets. Eg, Character: Supergirl (Earth Minus Ten), with the actual incarnation name replacing the "Earth Minus Ten" bit.

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rivulet027 wrote:

Jan. 25th, 2019 08:19 pm (UTC)

For Power Rangers there are two seasons I can think of that deal with space. Power Rangers in Space and Power Rangers Lost Galaxy. Is it okay to treat these like separate fandoms since they've changed casts and powers?

There is a crossover in Lost Galaxy where the in Space rangers help and one of the characters that was a villain in PR in Space becomes a pink ranger on Lost Galaxy.

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extrapenguin wrote:

Jan. 25th, 2019 08:23 pm (UTC)

If they have different casts and powers, and it is natural to treat them like different fandoms, go ahead and treat them like different fandoms!

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rivulet027 wrote:

Jan. 25th, 2019 08:27 pm (UTC)

Thanks!

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rachaelizame wrote:

Feb. 1st, 2019 08:05 pm (UTC)

Doctor Who

Doctor Who - I have some requests that go under both the eras (the 1960s one and the 2005 one) so I’m confused about how to post these nominations.

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extrapenguin wrote:

Feb. 1st, 2019 08:18 pm (UTC)

Re: Doctor Who

Unfortunately, I am unfamiliar with Doctor Who, but if you're comfortable with it, you could pick one era and nominate under that, or nominate the relevant tags under both.

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rachaelizame wrote:

Feb. 1st, 2019 08:09 pm (UTC)

Crossover or not?

(If this is the wrong place to ask this I’m sorry) how do we nominate ‘crossovers’ in the same fandom, ie, Star Wars Rebels and Clone Wars. I want to nom a character who shows up in clone wars, but not rebels, but ii want the prompt in the rebels era and with Rebels characters. (It’s Cody). How do I do that?

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extrapenguin wrote:

Feb. 1st, 2019 08:13 pm (UTC)

Re: Crossover or not?

If they haven't interacted in a canon, nom under Crossover Fandom. If they have interacted somewhere, nom under that canon (e.g. if Cody interacted with a Rebels character somewhere in the Legends EU). If you want Cody and are willing to give leeway on era, you can also nom him under Clone Wars and then prompt for him in the Rebels era with Rebels characters.

Internal crossovers existing is the regretful trade-off we make for not having "Star Wars - All Media Types" with eleventy billion tags.

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rachaelizame wrote:

Feb. 1st, 2019 08:38 pm (UTC)

Re: Crossover or not?

I want Rex and Cody in Rebels era interacting, so I’ll probably nom them under crossover fandom, then. Does that make sense?

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extrapenguin wrote:

Feb. 1st, 2019 08:40 pm (UTC)

Re: Crossover or not?

Yes, as Relationship: Rex (Rebels) & Cody (Clone Wars), or similar/equivalent tag.

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